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| I've just been looking at the league table and noticed that Warrington's points difference is 609!
Firstly, well done Wire! Excellent stuff! (That hurts!)
According to my research (Wikipedia!), which I'd really like verifying by somebody who knows the stats to be correct (tvoc?!), if they keep above the 600 mark, this is only the 3rd 600+ points difference of the SL era.
They've also got a 39 point positive swing in the 3 remaining matches to gain in order to break the record.
They would NOT however, be the first team to have a 600+ points difference to finish 2nd. That "honour" goes to us.
[iTeam - Year - Points Difference - Final League Position[/i
Leeds - 2005 - 647 - 2nd
Bradford - 2001 - 646 - 1st
[iWarrington - 2011 - 609 - 2nd (with 3 games still to play)[/i
Bradford - 2000 - 596 - 1st
Leeds - 2004 - 594 - 1st
*All stats are from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how accurate they are!
Edit - Stats altered slightly and are now confirmed. Bloody Wikipedia.
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| Points differences of such magnitude highlight the inherent weaknesses of the competition IMO. This is something in which Matterson, Monaghan and Cullen have all correctly alluded to recently. The two main weaknesses being...
1) The salary cap set at a level which only a handful of clubs can spend up to, producing a rump of clubs who are nothing more than whipping boy rabble just making up the numbers.
2) The lack of players of requisite quality to run a 14 team SL competition, resulting in a concentration of the best players and stronger squads at the top clubs who can afford to spend close to the aforementioned salary cap limit.
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| I'm tempted to agree Keith, but what's the answer? When the clubs won't vote for a smaller league due to the effect it would have on their revenue streams, how do we move forward?
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| I'm kind of on Keith's wavelength with this one too.
Problem is, you can't exactly just get rid of clubs with history. Was it Monaghan that suggested "Merging the Hull Clubs"?  Bet that would go down REALLY well.
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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos"I've just been looking at the league table and noticed that Warrington's points difference is 609!
Firstly, well done Wire! Excellent stuff! (That hurts!)
According to my research (Wikipedia!), which I'd really like verifying by somebody who knows the stats to be correct (tvoc?!), if they keep above the 600 mark, this is only the 3rd 600+ points difference of the SL era.
They've also got a 37 point positive swing in the 3 remaining matches to gain in order to break the record.
They would NOT however, be the first team to have a 600+ points difference to finish 2nd. That "honour" goes to us.
[iTeam - Year - Points Difference - Final League Position[/i
Bradford - 2001 - 646 - 1st
Leeds - 2005 - 645 - 2nd
[iWarrington - 2011 - 609 - 2nd (with 3 games still to play)[/i
Bradford - 2000 - 596 - 1st
Leeds - 2004 - 594 - 1st
*All stats are from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how accurate they are!'"
Interesting that 3 of the 5 teams were coached by certain Tony Smith.. 
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| Quote Wire_85="Wire_85"Interesting that 3 of the 5 teams were coached by certain Tony Smith..
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Tony Smith always was the coaching equivalent of the flat-track bully 
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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos" [iTeam - Year - Points Difference - Final League Position[/i
Bradford - 2001 - 646 - 1st
Leeds - 2005 - 645 - 2nd
[iWarrington - 2011 - 609 - 2nd (with 3 games still to play)[/i
Bradford - 2000 - 596 - 1st
Leeds - 2004 - 594 - 1st
*All stats are from Wikipedia. I'm not sure how accurate they are!'"
The P1 and P2 on your mini table require switching as Leeds scored 1152 (the SL record) and conceded 505 for a points difference of 647 in 2005.
Other than that wikipedia has seen you right.
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| For me it should be a two tiered system, top 10 clubs at the end of 2014 go into the superleague, the remaining 4 clubs and the top 6 teams in the championship come together to form a new championship.
Free weekend for everyone on the WCC weekend, free weekends for 3 match International/origin series, a re-introduction of the yorkshire-lancashire origin for those players not involved in the origin matches to be played as curtain raisers to the origin matches. Sky money to be shared out equally between the 20 teams regardless of status etc and a return to promotion and relegation. two up, two down.
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| There simply isnt the money, and there arent the players to provide for 20 clubs. Our SC is already embarrassingly low and hasn’t been raised for over 10 years, the NRL SC is about to go up massively and the exchange rate means we wont have the ability to compete for anything but the lower end from 2013 onwards. Which is simply going to exacerbate the issues we are already facing.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"There simply isnt the money, and there arent the players to provide for 20 clubs. Our SC is already embarrassingly low and hasn’t been raised for over 10 years, the NRL SC is about to go up massively and the exchange rate means we wont have the ability to compete for anything but the lower end from 2013 onwards. Which is simply going to exacerbate the issues we are already facing.'"
CMR isn't suggesting creating any new clubs that aren't already in existence though? The 20 clubs are already there, he's just suggesting taking 4 from SL and 6 from the Champ to make another division.
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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos"CMR isn't suggesting creating any new clubs that aren't already in existence though? The 20 clubs are already there, he's just suggesting taking 4 from SL and 6 from the Champ to make another division.'"
He also states we should split the money between those 20 clubs instead of 14 as we do now. We have an SC which is ridiculously low and some clubs are still failling to spend it, some by a fair distance. Taking a few hundred thousand from them and giving it to clubs in a lower league (who can then compete for similar players causing their relative values to rise meaning you not only get less money but less value from it). There also isnt the players out there which if the money was spent by our lower league clubs could raise the standard enough. We struggle to fill SL with quality players, its not going to make it any easier trying to fill 20 clubs rather than 14.
A simpler, maybe a little more lateral solution to this problem would to change the game to 4 quarters of 20 minutes. Which would allow sides to re-group if the opposition gets on a roll, removes some of the reliance on stamina which can see clubs run away with games, would be done in alignment with a reduction in substitutions which would give an extra tactical facet to the game, and also allow an extra ad break within the game, raising its value for TV, bringing in more money so we can bring in and create more, better players.
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| Quote Remarkable_Rhinos="Remarkable_Rhinos"I'm kind of on Keith's wavelength with this one too.
Problem is, you can't exactly just get rid of clubs with history. Was it Monaghan that suggested "Merging the Hull Clubs"?
Bet that would go down REALLY well.'"
Correct, you can't just get rid of clubs with history, though this is exactly what the unethical SL licencing system was about to propose in the name of an ill-advised expansion agenda until that Faux-Welsh fancy club finally came clean about it's own pitiful financial situation. It ought to be of no surprise to anyone that we have muppets running the SL asylum. Clubs ought to rise and fall by their own sword via P+R. I've had a gutful of this unfair and unethical licensing system now.
Monaghan is proposing a merger solution there which is culture-specific to Australian sport... another solution being relocation... neither are applicable to RL culture in this country and would be doomed to failure.
Ideally, we need no more than 10 clubs in SL where each club is financially secure enough to spend up to at least 75% of the salary cap but preferably closer to 100%. Easier said than done however.
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